CLASS 19: TUE NOV 05

Riddle: Life Choices

Lecture/Demo: How to Open

In-Class Exercise: How to Open

31 Responses to CLASS 19: TUE NOV 05

  1. tenere84 says:

    Notes 11/5

    Riddle: Choose two of the following: fame, love, money, and/or service. Personally, I would choose love and money because I consider love to be an invaluable means to my happiness. Wanting money may seem less-than-humble but, to a certain degree, comfortable living is also a reasonable means of attaining happiness.

    How to open:
    – Openings are extremely important when it comes to maintaining and persuading one’s audience.
    – Whether an opening is good can be dependent on something as simple as word/phrasing choice.
    – Good openings usually have special attributes that give them meaning and thus interest the reader.
    – For example: “An argument cannot be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost.” This first sentence is good because it makes two strong paradoxial claims.
    – Another example: “There are several ways an article can be started.” is good because it is a promise that is implied to have a delivery on said promise, thus making a challenge to the reader.
    – These sentences may not be true, but the fact that they could be is what engages readers. They may disagree in the end, but at least the writer grabbed the audience’s attention.

    Elements of proving an argument:
    – Success in arguing depends on persuading readers of the truth of a clearly stated premise.

    1.) Persuasion – we are not obligated to prove anything. We should be reasonable but firm. Appeal to their logic, emotions, and humanity. We want readers to be receptive, not defensive.
    2.) Truth – fairness, honesty. Our argument will be provocative but we will state our case truthfully.
    3.) Clarity – don’t leave the reader confused, describe everything in clear (and necessary) detail
    4.) Premises – claims that support our main argument; they require evidence (support) and persuasion. Without them, we lose the argument.

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  2. athenapup4 says:

    10/5 Notes
    Life choices: had to choose between whether have love, money, service or fame for the rest of your life what two would you choose. I would choose love and money because I think love is a big factor in what shapes you as a person and keeps you “sane”. With money you can do services for other people by helping them financially as an example. Fame just simply isn’t important to me.
    How to Open:
    It’s all about how you say things.
    By saying “Card Fee” on a promo sign it gives buying something a negative connotation. Instead try saying “Save with cash” because whenever someone hears the word “save” it immediately draws them in.
    Choose a good opening sentences:
    “Arguments cannot be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost”
    Sums up a very good argument that’s going to be made.
    The sentence itself is an argument.
    Its memorable
    What you say doesn’t really need to be true, but it needs to be bold in order to split the argument into two sides.
    Persuasion:
    Appeal to their logic, their emotions, and their humanity.
    If you tell them they could learn something new if they let go of which side they believe is right this helps you win the argument
    Don’t directly just argue
    Truth:
    Cannot lie in an argument.
    If caught you lose all credibility and the argument will not continue.
    Clarity:
    You can’t be persuasive if you aren’t clear.
    You can have an audience wondering what you mean but you can’t confuse them as to what you’re saying.
    Premise:
    Cannot be false, but it cannot be obvious
    Challenge someone’s pre-perceptions.

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  3. comp0327 says:

    Notes 11/5:
    -Today’s riddle consisted of choosing two things to define the rest of our lives, choosing from love, money, fame and service. I chose love and money because I want people I love around me for the rest of my life, and we need money to live so I would like enough money so that the people I love and I can live comfortably.
    -How to open: How you present your claim to your readers impacts the effectiveness of this argument. Without clarity, wording and backup support, the reader will never accept the claim you are trying to make.
    -Persuasion, truth, clarity and emphases are the 4 main components of an essay that make a strong argument.

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  4. 11/5 Notes:
    Riddle: I would choose love and service because everyone wants and deserves love in life and I believe that you get out of life what you give to it.
    – Your argument always needs a hook, and this hook can either draw the audience in or get them to start looking at the next author’s work.
    “A strong opening sentence draws readers in. ” –or– “An argument cannot be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost.” definitely the second one !!
    – Your first sentence of your argument has so much power, so be careful in what you do with it.
    – Good opening is memorable, not too long, and sums up the points that your argument will make later in the piece.
    -Making a strong intro—4 parts of a strong introduction are
    Persuasion, Truth, Clarity, and Premise.

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  5. Riddle (Life Choices)
    – Choices: Love, Money, Fame, and Service (represented on a coffee cup lid because once you push done the dimples on a coffee cup lid you can’t take it back)
    – You can only choose two, which two do you choose.
    – I would choose Love and Money because its nice for others to love you, but I find it extremely important to be able to love others back. Money is a commodity hard to come by and provides security.
    How to Open
    – Choosing a good opening sentence: 1. An argument cannot be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost.
    – Is a good first sentence because it makes an argument.
    – Makes two strong paradoxical claims and sums up the whole argument in one sentence.
    – Does not have to be true, must be well formed, arguable, and creditable.
    – Important elements of a strong argument are persuasion, truth, clarity, and premises

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  6. ajuuy7 says:

    Out of the four life choices I would chose love and money because I wouldn’t want to be alone for the rest of my life and also getting a job that makes good enough money to provide for me and maybe even the people I love will motivate me to work harder. We learned the importance of the first sentence of an argument. It should be something that can be argued. You need to persuade readers based on their logic, emotions, and humanity. There is no argument without a clearly stated premise.

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  7. bmdpiano says:

    NOTES:

    Riddle:
    -Life choices. The picture is a coffee cup that have four choices, but only two can be chosen. Love, fame, money and service.

    Lecture: How to Open
    -Choose a good opening sentence.

    -The best sentence out of the 7:
    1. An argument cannot be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost.
    -It makes two strong paradoxical claims
    -Sums up the argument
    -It is an argument itself

    Successful arguments
    1. Persuasion
    -Finding points readers can agree on
    -Pull the readers in
    2. Truth
    3. Clarity
    4. Premises

    -In just four sentences, we can describe a complete situation such as the process and the results.

    In Class Exercise:
    -Writing an open paragraph that is strong and does not lose the argument.

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  8. Today in class, we are talking about quick simple arguments to catch the reader’s attention. The first sentence of the essay is the most difficult part of an essay. Turn negatives into positives, let the reader feel welcomed. Advertise a welcoming argument, an interesting argument, something that will definitely catch the reader’s attention.

    Sentence number 1 is the best sentence out of all the sentences.

    The first claim does not have to be true, it just has to be argued.
    Don’t insult the reader, the reader came to read.
    The riddle today was about making permanent life decisions. With a coffee cup lid.

    The point of an argument is to not bore the reader and get your point across as fast as possible
    “In just a few words we’ve just indicated the whole span of the set up”

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  9. voxpopuli75 says:

    11/5/19
    – The way you phrase your writing impacts the impression the reader will get.
    – Opening sentences can make or break your writing. A good opening sentence will engage the reader, and contain persuasion, truth, clarity, and premises.
    – You don’t need to prove your argument using cold hard logic. Instead appeal to the readers logos, pathos, and ethos, in order to draw them over to your side.
    – Make clear claims in order to get the instill the correct message in readers.
    -There is no argument without a clearly stated premise.

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  10. jackso23 says:

    Notes 11/5:
    – Riddle: I would first choose love, because everyone needs love. Love is what keeps a lot of people going and the lack thereof could cause an excessive yearning for love in some people. I would choose money as the second one, only because money is something that is needed universally to survive and thrive in life therefore if I had it without worrying I feel as if I’d prosper in life.
    – You can always reword and argument or change it in a way that sounds better than it actually is. There are multiple ways to sculpt your words.
    – When learning, you learn whether you are right or wrong because when you are right you stick to what you’re right with but when you’re wrong you learn what the right thing is therefore you learned.
    – If you don’t have the right emotions or attitude while making a statement or doing an action it could be seen as less sincere as what it really is.
    – Lying destroys your accountability
    – We worked on finding ways to introduce a new idea or paragraph
    – One of the most effective strategies, when used correctly, is making a strong claim/argument during the first few sentences.

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  11. lucbe219 says:

    To begin class, we started with a riddle about picking two out of four life motivations. The two I would choose to pick would be love and service. I would work a job, where I’d receive the money I need to live while also helping out others. Later, we went on to discussing how different ways of phrasing statements will change their meanings and could potentially change the way outsiders view us. If you want to keep your readers, start with an argument to intrigue them. Throughout an essay, you need to persuade, tell the truth, be clear, and be specific with your readers to keep them reading. It is key to deliver as much information as possible while also staying with your initial argument. Towards the end of class, we did an in class exercise to construct a short and powerful opening paragraph.

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  12. Jayv23 says:

    – We began class by picking two out of four choices. the choices were love, fame, service and money. The two i would choose is love and money because if you have love and money you will be certainly happy with your significant other and live comfortably.
    – When phrasing your sentences there is always a better way of presenting it. For example saying 4% more by using card isn’t as helpful then saying 4% discount if cash is being used.
    – when writing your opening sentence it should contain a strong paradoxical claim, sums up a good argument that your essay will be about, itself be an argument, challenge the reader, memorable, should be able to be demonstrated, debated, and illustrated.

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  13. 11/5
    NOTES

    Riddle
    – Love, Fame, Service, Money? What would you choose?
    – It’s hard to choose just two because they all can play a factor into each other… for example: when you choose fame, it usually would come with money

    How To Open
    – Arguments cannot be won in the first sentence, but can surely be lost
    – Great opening sentences can attract way more readers and keep them intrigued
    – If the first sentence gives a good sum up of what the writing is about you may very much have won the argument
    – Your not there to prove something in your writing, but your rather writing to persuade the reader
    – Telling the truth is the same as proof, it’s the reality
    – Telling a lie will ruin your credibility so never attempt a lie
    – Be clear as there is no excuse not to be

    End of class exercise in which we read a writing without a opening and had to write one that follows many or all of the 7 points.

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  14. Notes 11/5/19
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    -When having to choose two life goals between love, fame, service, and money, I would choose love and money. As cliche as it is, I want money to be financially stable and to make sure my future children do not have to stress about finances. I would also choose love because it has the ability to make people happy.
    -An argument cannot be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost.
    -When it comes to persuading the reader, we can break it down into four parts:
    1. Persuasion: We will not prove anything in our essays. Be reasonable but firm, appeal to their logic, emotions, and humanity so they’re receptive to our claims.
    2. Truth: State your case truthfully, lying destroys credibility.
    3. Clarity: Keep claims clear.
    4. Premises: The premise can’t be false, but neither can they be obvious.

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  15. kraemercali says:

    11/5
    coffee cup lid- money, love, fame, service
    money and love
    card charges- how to tell customers
    how to start a sentence, to start paragraph, good sentences vs bad sentences
    marshmallow test- take marshmallow or wait for the second one, show lack of will power, etc
    distance from death makes you older
    Alzheimer’s video- what would you do
    write a first paragraph of a essay in regards to the essay given

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  16. lg102015 says:

    Notes 11/5/19
    Riddle-
    Life Choices: There are four choices on a coffee cup, Love, Money, Service, and Fame. Once you push one, you can’t take it back. You get to chose 2, which one do you pick.
    – Me personally, I would chose Love and Money because I feel like you have the American dream if your financially stable and if you have someone who makes you happy and loves and cares about you then your idea of the American dream is some what fulfilled.
    How to Open-
    We learned about how to make a good opening argument, when writing a persuasive piece if writing.
    – “An argument cannot be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost.”
    When writing a persuasive piece of writing, we can break it down into parts to make the persuasive piece great.
    1. Persuasion:
    We’ll appeal to their logic (logos), their emotions (pathos), and their humanity (ethos). Any hint of illogic, cheap sentimentality, or prejudice, even in the first sentence, can make readers wary of our intentions. We don’t want them defensive; we want them receptive
    2. Truth:
    Truth is different than proof. While what we argue will be provocative, we’ll state our case truthfully. To be caught in a lie would completely destroy our credibility, without which WE LOSE the argument.
    3. Clarity:
    Because the truth is multifaceted, true declarations can be richly ambiguous, but that’s no excuse to be unclear. Even as they describe nuanced opinions, our claims, to persuade, must be clear. The quickest way to lose an argument is to keep the reader wondering what we mean by what we say. If we can’t be understood, WE LOSE the argument.
    4. Premises:
    It goes without saying that we need to convince our readers of something in particular. The premises cannot be false, but neither can they be obvious. They are premises because they require evidence and persuasion. Without them, WE LOSE the argument.

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  17. mpsj13 says:

    Riddle
    -The bubbles on a coffee cup cannot be pushed back therefore, the choice given on the bubbles in the picture, love, fame, service, and money, once picked cannot be taken back. When asked to choose two I would choose love and money because love is a necessity for a happy life and money is essential to life.
    How to Open
    -An argument cannot be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost.
    This is a strong opening sentence because
    *It is an argument, it challenges the reader, it is memorable, and it can be debated.
    -Success in argument depends on persuading readers of the truth of a clearly stated premise.
    Persuasion
    -Nothing will be proven in the essay. In stead appeal to logos, pathos, and ethos.
    -Do not insult the reader or they will dig in their heels and be lost.
    Truth
    -State a case truthfully, lying will lose the argument.

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  18. ahntkd99 says:

    11/5
    Riddle: Life Choices
    – There is a coffee cup cover and there are four words (Fame, Love, Money, Service) on the cup cover
    – Choose two words among the four words
    – I choose Love and Money. If I choose this, then I can get service too. Fame is important in my life, but I think love, money, and service is more important in my life than fame.

    How to Open
    – Choose the good opening sentence: “An argument cannot be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost.”
    – What’s so good about it
    1. It makes two strong paradoxical claims
    2. It sums up a very strong argument the essay will make
    3. It is itself an argument
    4. It makes a challenge to the reader
    5. It’s memorable
    6. It can be debated, demonstrated, illustrated
    7. It’s a good example of itself
    – Persuasion: We will not prove anything in our essays / We will persuade our readers by being reasonable but firm
    – True: Truth is different than proof
    – Clarity: Even as they describe nuanced opinions, our claims, to persuade, must be clear
    – Premises: The premises cannot be false, but neither can they be obvious

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  19. Valcom says:

    Notes 11/5/19
    Riddle
    [] Today’s class started out with a riddle showing a coffee lid that has the four tabs. Each tab was labeled with a different word, fame, money, love, and service. Each person in the class was asked to choose two tabs.
    [] I chose love and money because I would like to financially be able to buy what I need and some things that I want while having someone special by my side.
    Lecture/Demo
    [] We started lecture on trying to figure out how to phrase something such as 4% more for using a card or using cash for no extra charge.
    [] Phrasing sentences and wording differently, the read is able to continue reading by being intrigued.
    [] Summing up the argument in the first sentence, you will be able to win the argument almost right away. The first sentence does not always have to be the argument, because it can be argued later on as long as the first sentence is solid.
    [] In the marshmallow test example, the author points out two categories which he is using to describe an entire ethical theory with results and a conclusion.
    [] Dr Hodges has a theory about determining the age of a person. The distance from death makes a person older than someone who is the same age as the person dying.

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  20. roses0102 says:

    -Riddle- I would choose money and love on the coffee cup. I chose these two because a goal in my life is to find true love also to be successful and make money from working hard.

    -Classwork- Wording sentences is extremely important in getting your message across. In the two credit card posters, one is worded completely wrong, in the second poster we changed the poster to “instead of using card, use cash!”. This way customers wont be irritated that they are being charged more money just for using their credit card.

    -We then looked at 7 sentences, the only good one was the first. This is because the first sentence has 2 paradoxical claims.

    -An argument should have 4 points to it, persuasion, truth, clarity, and premise. To persuade, you can tap into the reader’s emotion to persuade them into believing/siding with your argument. We aren’t looking for proof, we are looking for truths in the argument, use credibility to strengthen your argument.

    -In the marshmallow experiment, the “gobblers” are people that don’t trust others word. The self control is not as much of an issue as the trust is. The “nibblers” are the people that trusted the lady to go get the marshmallow. These people have trust in the phycologist and more self control then the gobblers.

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  21. hershey says:

    8 Am Comp Class Notes

    Riddle
    – [ ] The riddle was about what life choices we have as an individual

    How to Open
    – [ ] It all depends on how you say the sentence which determines if the argument can be won
    – [ ] The point of the first sentence of these writing pieces is to persuade the reader by clearly stating your argument
    – [ ] We are not proving anything we can persuade by providing evidence, ethics, logic,etc.
    – [ ] If you lie in your argument you lose your argument. This destroys our credibility

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  22. hershey says:

    8 Am Comp Class Notes

    Riddle
    – [ ] The riddle was about what life choices we have as an individual
    How to Open
    – [ ] It all depends on how you say the sentence which determines if the argument can be won
    – [ ] The point of the first sentence of these writing pieces is to persuade the reader by clearly stating your argument
    – [ ] We are not proving anything we can persuade by providing evidence, ethics, logic,etc.
    – [ ] If you lie in your argument you lose your argument. This destroys our credibility

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  23. compclass8 says:

    I would choose love and money because obviously you want love and a relationship for the rest of your life and also I need money to live and buy the things that I want. Choose differently wording when having to present information to the readers. Make it more appealing rather than harsh. Persuasion, truth, clarity, premise is all what you need when persuading the readers of the truth.

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  24. bestbaker123 says:

    Notes 11/5/19
    – Riddle: Pushing the buttons down on a coffee cup seals the fate of the coffee. The exercise gave us similar choices. We had to pick 2 life goals from love, fame, service and money. I chose love and money. Being loved is a goal I think that almost every human being has set for themselves. I want to have that love too. And being financially stability is important because money is what is going to keep me fed, sheltered and clothed.
    – Regardless of whatever the news is you try to present to an audience, there is probably another great way to word the argument.
    – You actually learn something from having your mind changed, because even though you were taught the wrong thing, you still learned something.
    – You will lose an argument if you display false emotions and are perceived as fake.
    – Don’t lie in anything you say. You will then be caught and it’ll destroy your credibility.
    – Naming of categories is a great way to introduce an argument with less words.
    – Making a controversial claim in the first sentence or two, is affective if done correctly.

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  25. 11/05/19 Notes
    Riddle: Life Choices; choose two
    – Love – Fame – Service – Money
    How to Open:
    – It’s all in how you say it: You can always find a way to work a statistic to benefit your argument.
    – Choose the Good Opening Sentence: An argument cannot be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost.
    – Success in arguing depends on persuading readers of the truth of a clearly stated premise. Should include persuasion, truth, clarity, and premise.
    1. Persuasion: We will not prove anything in our essays. We want our readers to be receptive.
    2. Truth: We lose the argument if we are caught in a lie.
    3. Clarity: Claims must be clear in order to be understood by readers
    4. Premise: A premise cannot be false nor too obvious. Evidence should need to be provided.

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  26. iamsleepy01 says:

    Riddle – I choose Love and Money because I lived in a household of 6 in between the middle and lower class. I would like to provide money to my family.
    – Rephrase a negative statement to a positive statement.
    – A good opening sentence contains two strong paradoxical claims, sums up a very strong argument the essay will make, argument, a challenge to challenge the reader.
    It can be debated, demonstrated, illustrated.
    – Bold claims to separate the readers into 2 groups, people who agree and people who disagree.

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  27. lelebxby says:

    Class Notes 11/5/19
    Life Choices
    – When choosing between love, money, fame and service, I personally think having love and money are my choices.
    – If I’m able to financially support myself and the one’s I care for while having those I love by my side, there’s no better happiness than that.
    How to Open (Lecture)
    – In class, we discussed the ways on how to make a good opening to an argument.
    – An argument cannot be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost.
    – When it comes to persuading the reader, we can break it down into four parts:
    1. Persuasion: Persuade readers by being reasonable but firm, appeal to their logic, emotions, and humanity so they’re receptive to our claims.
    2. Truth: State your case truthfully, lying destroys credibility.
    3. Clarity: Our claims must be clear, for the quickest way to lose an argument is to keep the reader wondering what we meant.
    4. Premises: Convince the reader of something particular, the premise can’t be false, but neither can they be obvious.

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  28. smellycat23 says:

    Riddle: Two life choices I’d pick are love and money because the company of another person would make me happy and with the money, I could buy things I like. I could also buy things for the one I love.

    In an editorial, an argument can not be won in the first sentence, but it can be lost. A good opening sentence, makes a good claim, it can be argued, and it’s memorable. The way you phrase the opening sentence is important like when marketing a sale. When you want to say 49% is close to half you would say nearly half instead of less than half because it sounds better. If someone convinces another something in an argument, the person who learned something won because he got something out of the argument. The person who convinced him did not win because he did not learn anything. Instead of proving readers, we should persuade by appealing to moral values, ethics, and emotions. You should also not lie because that would destroy our credibility if caught and be clear so the reader is not confused so they are not persuaded in the end. A premise should not be false or obvious.

    In the Marshmallow Test example, the author named two categorized which provides brevity and will be easier to communicate in the paragraph.

    Mr. Hodges believes that if a person is closer to death, they are older. Instead of believing a person is older if they have lived longer.

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  29. To start off the class, we talked about life choices. We had to pick two things out of fame, money, love, and service. The two that I picked were initially fame and money because I answered too fast, but I definitely think money and love are important because you don’t really ned anything else. Nobody NEEDS fame if they are already rich and have one surrounding them so love and money is definitely the power couple of life choices. There are also 4 main components of an essay that make a strong argument and keeps readers interested on what is to come next. These four components are truth, clarity, persuasion, and premises.

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  30. Some choices about our future are given and out of the four, containing love, money, service, and fame, and we must pick two. I picked love and money because I do not want to be alone, and I want to live a life in which I do not have to stress about my financial status. In phrasing certain sentences, there is always an appropriate usage of the information given. For example, saying you have to pay 4% more is not helpful, but if you say you get a 4% discount if cash is used, it is much better for the readers. The thesis of an argument does not have to be true, but it has to be bold. If you convince a reader to think your way, it does not really gain you anything, more or less just the satisfaction of knowing you convinced someone. There is no proving in an essay, rather wwe must persuade readers using multiple strategies such as pathos, ethos, and logos, as well as a multitude of other information. The truth is different than proof. We must be truthful in writing, because if we are caught lying, it destroys our credibility. Clarity may also lose our readers. If we are not clear with our perspective, we may confuse our readers and they lose interest. Premises are needed but cannot be too obvious. It needs to be in there enough in that we can use persuasion and evidence to prove our premise.

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  31. bane1900 says:

    I would choose money and fame as it would ease many difficult aspects of life – finding a compatible partner, and having the financial freedom to do anything I want.
    When writing papers, its important to be persuasive instead of proving things to readers. It is also important to be truthful and to use factual evidence. Be clear and brief – don’t drag on arguments or claims for too long. If you can make a great argument in just 4 sentences, it keeps readers engaged and makes them think about your writing.

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